If the Problem of Evil Is Uncomfortable, Just Redefine It Away

This is post #1500 of the Cross Examined blog! Thank you everyone for making the Cross Examined community a vibrant place to share ideas. I’ve probably learned more from your comments than from any other source. If it weren’t for you, I’d be doing something else!

This is the second half of a critique of Greg Koukl’s recent podcast “How to Respond to the Problem of Evil” (part 1). To get out of a bind, Koukl will redefine the Problem of Evil, not once but twice. He’s so casual about it that I wonder if he’s unaware that he’s doing it. Or if he knows how that looks to observers.

The PoE as an argument for God

This is Koukl’s primary argument. He knows the Problem of Evil (PoE) is a liability, but he wants to flip it into an asset. Given that evil exists:

This helps us. Evil is on our side, in that sense, because if there were no God, there would be no evil at all . . . because there’d be no lawmaker.

Nope. This won’t work when at every turn God is invisible. God ignores every chance to swoop in and overtly resolve some problem. He’s always a no-show. Why imagine this lawmaker of yours even exists when he’s indistinguishable from nonexistent?

A precedent in the Bible

Remember the public bonfire-lighting contest of Elijah, God’s last prophet, versus the priests of Baal? The hundreds of priests went first and were having no luck rousing their god. In one of the Bible’s rare bits of humor Elijah mocked his opponents:

“Shout louder!” Elijah said. “Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.” (1 Kings 18:27)

And that’s my encouragement to Koukl. Is God asleep? Using the bathroom? Getting his hair done? Pedicure? God is no more obvious than Baal. Maybe shout louder?

Koukl is now celebrating evil, but in so doing, he’s digging deeper the hole of God the Bronze Age barbarian. Remember the four-point list from part 1 (admit how bad the PoE makes God look; turn your vague assurance that God might have reasons into specific justification for the Holocaust; show that “God” exists; and justify suffering when God could achieve his goals without it). To give your argument any kind of standing, you need to respond to that list to show that you’re taking seriously the consequences of your argument. And those consequences aren’t pretty.

Objective evil?

The only supportable statement that can be salvaged from Koukl’s attempt to turn this lemon of an argument into lemonade is: Without God, there’s no objective evil, though there would still be the ordinary kind, which we find in the definition of “evil” in the dictionary. Koukl would dearly love to be able to defend the idea of objective morality, for which he has no evidence.

He next wonders how the naturalist explains evil.

[With no God,] it’s just molecules clashing in the universe. Okay, so then, what is “wrong”? Says who? Your grandma? kind of thing.

Says who? Says our moral programming—thanks, evolution. If we were honey badgers or meercats or Klingons, evolution would’ve given us different programming for how to behave among our peers.

So if there is no God, how can there be evil? . . . [If] there’s no lawmaker; there would be no law, right?

That’s a cute argument for children. Not so much for adults.

Rivers don’t meander according to the all-loving direction of a divine lawmaker. Natural principles are sufficient. And natural explanations are also sufficient to explain human morality.

The sun is about to rise, and the cock is about to crow . . .

At the beginning of Koukl’s podcast, he summarized the PoE this way: “[If God is] good, he’d want to get rid of all evil. If he’s powerful, he’d be able to get all rid of all evil, but there’s evil, right? So, there you go. God probably doesn’t exist.” I agreed that that was correct.

And now, six paragraphs later, the PoE is so hard to rationalize that Koukl wants to redefine it away. That first definition has become inconvenient, so let’s just discard it. Who will notice?

Here’s the new version. You can play “Spot the Differences!” at home.

You [atheists] just complained about the problem of evil. There must be evil in the world, right? So, what do you make of evil now that God doesn’t exist? How do you get traction to even complain about evil in the world? You can’t. . . . People think that they somehow solve the problem of evil by getting God out of the equation.

Yes! You do solve the Problem of Evil by getting rid of God! Your first definition correctly stated that the PoE requires a God, so remove God as a presupposition, and the problem is gone. QED.

This is so crazy that I must repeat it. Koukl’s Problem of Evil was: Given a good and powerful God, how is there so much evil in the world? And now, four minutes later, that definition no longer exists. It has been disappeared like a nosey journalist raising uncomfortable topics in a totalitarian state. The Problem of Evil is now, How do you respond to evil without God to define evil?

Deliberately conflicting definitions

I frequently see evangelists use two contradictory definitions. It’s one of their tricks to keep the disjoint Christian story together. They will use one definition of a word for the Christian insiders and a different definition for the skeptics. Or maybe it’s one definition to make sense out of Bible passage A and a conflicting one for passage B. For example, there are two definitions of “faith.” And there are many definitions of “morality.”

Usually the incompatible definitions will be in different articles, giving evangelists some plausible deniability. Koukl’s podcast shows an especially abrupt redefinition and nicely illustrates the problem.

It’s been said that you can’t ride two horses with one ass, though evangelists desperately try.

Problem of Evil, redefined

Koukl has now clumsily jumped to the other horse. Let’s see how satisfied he is with his new mount.

You [atheists] got God out of the picture. You didn’t get rid of evil. You still got all the things that you used to call evil. They still are existing, and you still probably consider them evil. Okay, now solve the problem.

Okay, there is no God. Problem solved. QED.

And did you catch that? That’s his third definition of the Problem of Evil! The problem is now: Evil exists in the world, so what are you going to do about it?

That’s not the actual PoE, but I’ll respond. Evil is easily understood. Reality has no obligation to be fair or nice. That’s the Petri dish for the evolution of life: there’s good luck and bad luck, some individuals live long lives and some don’t, and not everyone passes on their genes. We can call things we detest “evil,” but that’s no support for a claim that objective morality exists.

Well, heck—let’s just declare victory anyway

His argument is in ruins around him, but Koukl pops up from behind the rubble to declare victory.

The point I’m making is, atheism can give you no traction to even make sense out of evil to begin with. . . .

See, our answer makes sense of all the facts. We don’t have to play games like that. The world is broken. That’s why there’s evil in the world. . . . We broke it. And so, we’re responsible.

You can make sense of “the facts”? “We broke the world” is no fact. Nor is it an argument. It’s just dogma.

Koukl changes definitions in plain view. He points to the Garden of Eden as if it’s an argument. He declares that his perfect, omniscient God somehow let his human experiment get out of control. And it’s the atheists who are playing games?! I can see the irony even if he can’t.

Natural explanations make clear why the world isn’t perfectly tuned to our wishes and why we see evil in the world. That’s much easier to digest than evidence-free supernatural presuppositions.

If there is a God, his plan is very similar
to someone not having a plan.
— Eddie Izzard

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I form the light and create darkness;
I make peace and create evil; 
I, the Lord, do all these things.
— Isaiah 45:7

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How Can a Christian so Completely Misunderstand the Problem of Evil?

This happens all too often. I’m (mentally) yelling at the screen, wondering how a well-respected apologist—sometimes even an apologist with a PhD—gets the basics of their own field so wrong. Are they lying? Being deceptive for some imagined greater good? Or is this a good mind deluded by unsupportable supernatural beliefs?

In the naughty corner today is Greg Koukl, who recently wrote “How to Respond to the Problem of Evil” (podcast and transcript here). The Problem of Evil (PoE) is his bread and butter. How does he get it so confused?

The Problem of Evil

The PoE is often stated this way: Why would a good God allow bad things to happen to good people? Here’s Koukl’s version, which (at this moment) sounds good to me.

You think God is good and he’s powerful . . . but if he’s good, he’d want to get rid of all evil. If he’s powerful, he’d be able to get all rid of all evil. But there’s evil, right? So, there you go—God probably doesn’t exist.

This is roughly the PoE as given by Epicurus in the third century BCE.

Dwelling on how Koukl defines the PoE may seem like an unnecessary detour, but it’s important to get this in writing. Before the cock crows, Koukl will deny knowing this argument.

Flaws in the PoE?

But first, Koukl wants to push back against the PoE as he described it above: “When you press the issue, you can’t build a valid argument from those facts.”

Or maybe you can. The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy gives a more comprehensive argument and declares that it is indeed valid. But let’s set this aside.

To prove his point, Koukl took one of the premises in his statement of the PoE—if God is good, he’d prevent all evil—and argued that it fails with this example.

[A vaccination is evil from the standpoint of my daughters] because it causes them pain, but Daddy makes them get shots, so why does he do that? Because Daddy’s evil? No. Because I know that the short-term evil to them is going to result in a longer-term good. And so, there is a moral justification for the shorter-term bad.

Right—that’s a moral justification for a human. God is omnipotent, while Daddy and the medical profession aren’t. God could achieve any goal, whether it’s the vaccination of one child or the worldwide elimination of a disease, without side effects. That’s what “omnipotent” means.

There could be a morally sufficient reason for allowing it because it leads to something good, okay? Or maybe something bad that prevents something even worse from happening. . . .

Now, the possibility [is that God] could have a reason; we don’t have to tell them what that reason is.

And you’re already backing away from your own argument. I don’t blame you—I wouldn’t want to defend that either—but yes, you do need to give a plausible reason.

4 mandatory steps before objecting to the PoE

And there’s more: I have four demands of apologists who make this “God could have reasons that we can’t even imagine” argument.

  1. Admit how bad the PoE makes God look. Even if God had some non-obvious justification, admit that he looks like a Bronze Age barbarian when he allows evil that he could easily prevent.
  2. You say that God could have his reasons? Give some. That is, move from vague, ungrounded handwaving to specific reasons for actual evil events in the world. I suggest you start by listing plausible benefits that would justify World War II and the Holocaust. (Do you seriously think a God a billion times smarter than you couldn’t come up with anything more benign than the Holocaust to achieve his goals?)
  3. Does “God” even exist? Let’s worry about God’s reasons for evil after we have solid grounding that he exists.
  4. Why would God allow suffering when he has magic? He’s omnipotent! Any goal he can achieve through human suffering, he can achieve without it.

(I expand on this list here.)

Follow this list, and when you start struggling to find explanations for God’s absence (or might it be . . . nonexistence?) you begin to see the problem. Nonexistence explains the evidence so much better.

Evil happening to people vs. other animals

A rock could tumble down a mountain and hit a person or a deer. Is there a moral difference? Accidents, disease, and natural disasters hit both humans and other animals.

When a calamity hits a person, we often critique the event to search for a silver lining. Maybe someone broke their leg, but the downtime finally prompted them to begin writing that book. Maybe a teenager lost a parent to cancer, but that pushed them to become a doctor or missionary.

Christians could see God using these disasters for his Grand Plan, but is that what this really looks like? Animals by the billions die in pain. Most will die outside of any human awareness as mere statistics, and no moral benefit comes from these. Why then imagine moral benefit from human suffering? (h/t commenter Ignorant Amos and author John Loftus)

Koukl declares the PoE defeated

Remember the type of objection that this is: [it’s a strong defeater to the conclusion,] “It’s not possible that there is a God because there’s evil in the world.”

I’m easy to please—just show me where the preponderance of evidence is.

I don’t say “it’s not possible” for God to exist, and in fact, neither do you! Remember that you ended your summary of the PoE (above) with “So, there you go—God probably doesn’t exist.” There’s a big difference between “God probably doesn’t exist” and “It’s not possible for God to exist.”

But let’s revisit your characterization of the atheist position: “It’s not possible that there is a God because there’s evil in the world.” I’ll actually accept that. You’re not talking about some ill-defined supernatural something-or-other but Yahweh of Christianity. Given Yahweh is as Christians bill him now—all-good, omnipotent, and omniscient—he is indeed incompatible with evil.

Conclusion next time: Koukl tries to turn the Problem of Evil from a liability to an asset (with limited success) and redefines it here.

Some have attempted to explain [suffering] in reference to man
by imagining that it serves for his moral improvement.
But the number of men in the world is nothing
compared with that of all other sentient beings,
and these often suffer greatly without any moral improvement.
— Charles Darwin, The Autobiography of Charles Darwin

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Image from Kat J (free-use license)
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Bible Prophecies: Edom’s Barrenness, Deaths of Sons, and Elijah’s Fiery Chariot

Hugh Ross of Reasons to Believe (an old-earth Creationist ministry) claims that the Bible has thousands of fulfilled prophecies, and he gives us his top 13. Let’s continue our critique (part 1 here).

9. Edom will become barren

“Jeremiah predicted that despite its fertility and despite the accessibility of its water supply, the land of Edom (today a part of Jordan) would become a barren, uninhabited wasteland.”

Reading the cited passage in Jeremiah (49:15–20), I feel like I’ve been called in to settle a playground dispute. Israel and Edom are arguing and calling each other names. “You think you’re so strong?” Israel says. “My big brother will take care of you!”

Here are a few selections of the bravado. These are coming from God’s mouth:

I will make you small among the nations, despised by mankind.

Edom will become an object of horror; all who pass by will be appalled and will scoff because of all its wounds.

The young of the flock will be dragged away; their pasture will be appalled at their fate.

Ross says that Edom will be made “a barren, uninhabited wasteland.” If you look at a satellite map of where it was—a rough circle from the Dead Sea south to the Gulf of Aqaba—it does look pretty dry.

There’s a lot of trash talking here and in the other passage mentioned (Ezekiel 25:12–14) but no mention of their fertility or water. Did God take away their water? Apparently not, since ancient Edom has always had almost no arable land. In the time of Jeremiah and Ezekiel, its economy was based on the caravan trade.

Ross’s story of fertile land suddenly turned into a desert is at best a fairy tale. At worst, it’s the breaking of the ninth Commandment against lying.

(I’ve lost interesting in passing along Ross’s ridiculous probability estimate. Just assume that it’s a bajillion to one against whatever happening without God’s intervention.)

10. The rebuilding of Jericho

“Joshua prophesied that Jericho would be rebuilt by one man. He also said that the man’s eldest son would die when the reconstruction began and that his youngest son would die when the work reached completion. About five centuries later this prophecy found its fulfillment.”

Ross cites Joshua 6:26. After Joshua’s army had plundered and destroyed Jericho, Joshua is either speaking a curse or making a prophecy against anyone who would rebuild the city:

At the cost of his firstborn son he will lay its foundations;
at the cost of his youngest he will set up its gates.

The fulfilment is in 1 Kings 16:33–4:

In King Ahab’s time, Hiel of Bethel rebuilt Jericho. He laid its foundations at the cost of his firstborn son Abiram, and he set up its gates at the cost of his youngest son Segub, in accordance with the word of the Lord spoken by Joshua.

We can date the prophecy by noting that Joshua came from the 13th century BCE, and we can date the fulfilment by noting that King Ahab came from the 9th century BCE. That sounds good for Ross’s claim except that there is good evidence (the “Deuteronomistic history”) that Joshua, Judges, 1 and 2 Samuel, and 1 and 2 Kings were edited together by one person, creating a unified story from Moses to the destruction of Judah by Babylon (see also Friedman, Who Wrote the Bible? p. 103).

No historical hypothesis can be proven, but the plausible natural explanation that the “fulfilment” was deliberately written to satisfy the “prophecy” destroys Ross’s claim.

11. Elijah’s fiery chariot

“The day of Elijah’s supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimously—and accurately, according to the eye-witness account—by a group of fifty prophets.”

Ross’s source is 2 Kings 2:3–11. In this story, Elisha is tagging along as Elijah makes several visits, and at each stop, local prophets tell Elisha ominous news: “Do you know that the Lord is going to take your master from you today?”

Sure enough, the prophecy comes true: “A chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.”

We’ve not seen this kind of claim so far. Instead of a prophecy in one part of the Bible confirmed in a later book (not that we’ve seen this yet, but that has been Ross’s claim), all we have here is a story contained in one chapter.

Elijah lived during the reign of King Ahab (9th century BCE), while 2 Kings was written in the 6th century BCE. This story was kept alive orally for three centuries, and when it’s written down it has magical events. Why accept that as history?

To be concluded in part 5.

Every image that has ever been projected of God
is a mirror reflecting the age
and person or group
which produced it.
— Jesuit scholar Ignatius Jesudasan

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(This is an update of a post that originally appeared 9/28/16.)

Image from NASA, public domain
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An Understandable Universe May Point to God, but How Understandable Is the Universe?

We can understand the universe, but why? Nobel Prize-winning physicist and mathematician Eugene Wigner said in 1960, “The enormous usefulness of mathematics in the natural science is something bordering on the mysterious and there is no rational explanation for it.” Albert Einstein expressed a similar thought: “The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible.”

What some Christian apologists claim

Many Christians have seized on this, claiming that an understandable universe points to God, both because God would want us to understand it and because only a theistic approach can explain such a universe. Christian apologist William Lane Craig gave this religious interpretation:

It was very evident to me that [naturalists are not] able to provide any sort of an explanation of mathematics’ applicability to the physical world, and this was self-confessed. . . . Theism [enjoys] a considerable advantage in [being able to answer this question].

Philosopher Nicholas Maxwell added:

Why should the physical universe, utterly foreign to the human mind, nevertheless be comprehensible to the human mind? We have here, it seems, an utterly inexplicable link between the physical universe and the human world. . . . Of course if God exists, the comprehensibility of the universe is entirely understandable.

This needs some pushback. These interpretations make a huge, unstated assumption that a godless universe could not look like our universe, but what supports this? Do they think that the dependability of physics is only due to God? Do they think that a godless universe would be unstable, with constants, exponents, and relationships continuously changing? Perhaps in this universe, e = mc2 would be valid one moment but then e = mc2.1 the next and e = 17mc3.5 the next?

And why imagine that the physical facts of the universe must baffle us? Some aspects are counter-intuitive, of course, but evolution adapted us to be in tune with physics—at least the physics of our not-too-big and not-too-small world. For example, the inverse-square law says that radiation intensity falls off as the inverse of the square of the distance. Stand in front of a campfire and you soon get an intuitive understanding of this law.

That our physics wouldn’t look like it does without God is a very bold claim, for which I see no evidence. Furthermore, “God did it” is unfalsifiable, which is a fatal trait for any theory, let alone one that claims to explain all of science’s most perplexing problems.  (I give a more thorough analysis here.)

But hold on—is the universe understandable?

Let’s reconsider the initial claim, that the universe is understandable. Sure, we can find simple relationships between aspects of reality with scientific laws such as the Ideal Gas Law, Ohm’s Law, and Newton’s Law of Gravity, and so on, but things become more complicated. Corrections for relativity must be added to Newton’s Law of Gravity (F = Gm1m2/r2). Ohm’s Law (V = IR) ignores capacitance and inductance, which make calculations of time-varying voltage or current much more complicated. And the Ideal Gas Law (PV = nRT) makes assumptions about gases that limit its applicability.

Nature often isn’t particularly reliable, at least at first glance. The speed of light in a vacuum is constant, but that speed varies depending on what medium it’s going through. The boiling point of water varies around the world (only at one precise pressure does it boil at 100 °C). Weather and natural disasters are hard to forecast. Chaotic systems are deterministic but not predictable. And so on.

It might make sense after we get used to it, but beforehand, it can seem to be a random jumble. For example, what’s the simple law that tells us which isotopes are radioactive and what their half-lives are? Things outside our familiar middle world may never be intuitive. As Richard Feynman noted, “If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don’t understand quantum mechanics.”

If the comprehensibility of the universe points to God, what does its incomprehensibility point to?

It’s not that the universe is understandable. Rather, what we understand about the universe is understandable, which isn’t much help in anticipating how science will continue to progress as we push the frontiers. How much about the universe will we eventually understand?

What we know vs. what we don’t

Knowledge about the universe can be divided into four categories, as illustrated by the Venn diagram above.

  1. What we know. This has expanded dramatically since the modern period of scientific discovery beginning around 1800, which includes scientists such as Maxwell, Mendeleev, and Tesla, and even more so since the Enlightenment period, which might include Galileo, Newton, and Pascal. Imagine how small the “What we know” ellipse was 500 years ago.
  2. What we will know. No one knows if we’ll continue learning about the universe at the current rate, but it seems a safe bet that we’ll know much more a thousand years in the future (assuming human society stays safe).
  3. What we’re capable of knowing. What more could we understand if we only asked the right questions or if super-smart aliens taught it to us? Theoretical physics, like science fiction, can only take us to places that its practitioners can dream up.
    Another limit is our finite ability to create technology. Scientists and engineers have built the Large Hadron Collider, the Laser Interferometry Gravity Observatory, and the Hubble Space Telescope, and they’re planning next generation versions. But what if we eventually need versions that were a thousand times bigger or more expensive? Or a billion times? Human society, even far into the future, might have limits. Without these monster machines, unimaginable truths might remain unimagined.
  4. All foundational knowledge of reality. The final ellipse is everything—not trivial specifics like the atmospheric composition of Alpha Centauri’s fourth planet but every concept, law, and theory needed to describe life, the universe, and everything.
    Our imperfect brains have limits. Imagine an alien species that is smarter than we are to the same extent that we are smarter than chimpanzees. While we share a common ancestor with chimps from just six million years ago, we can find in chimps only the rudiments of higher-order intelligence such as humor, problem solving, and morality. Chimpanzees are our closest living animal relative, but human children surpass their intelligence at perhaps four years of age. These aliens would intellectually be to us what we are to chimps. If chimps can never understand algebra or geometry, let alone calculus or quantum physics, what would these aliens be able to understand that we could never hope to learn? And if chimps will never understand all the science behind reality, why do we think we will?
    Now take it a step further and make the aliens’ cognitive gap the same as between us and lizards. Our understanding the new science these aliens could teach us might be as unlikely as a lizard understanding a joke.

A pessimistic look at our understanding of reality

The figure above gives one version of what we know (and will know) compared to what we won’t, but that’s just an optimistic guess. Imagine if the four ellipses actually look like this:

With this interpretation, we will still make a lot of progress from what we now know to what we will eventually know, but this more pessimistic version imagines the overwhelming majority of science out of our reach, either because imagination or lack of data let us down (third ellipse) or because it is beyond our cognitive reach (fourth ellipse). Will humans eventually understand 99 percent of the science behind reality? Or 0.1 percent?

Most frustrating, we can never know how big the third and fourth ellipses are! We can never understand the size of our ignorance. We will always perceive only ellipse #1, never sure if we’ve learned most of the science or a tiny fraction, never sure if we will learn much more or if we’re near our inherent limit.

Let’s return to our marvelously understandable universe. The universe is indeed understandable . . . but only to the extent that we can understand it. And how far is that? No one will ever know. “The universe is understandable” is an empty statement.

Here’s an interesting connection between Nature’s counter-intuitive laws and the growth of religion.

The cause of religious belief in human beings is intimately related to the desire on the part of individuals to have an explanation for various phenomena, and in fact, if nature possessed easy, simply-discoverable laws, it is doubtful that religion would have ever developed. As it happens, however, natural law is by no means simple, and thus it undoubtedly appeared to the primitive mind that the forces of nature were chaotic and unpredictable. From this point of view, however, it was but a short step to attributing an anthropomorphic character to nature: Unpredictability became whimsicalness; the raging storm became the work of an angry god who, like an angry man, will become calm again in time; the personal calamity became the punishment of evil-doers; the occurrence of an unusual event became a sign that the deity was engaged in something special that would affect his minions; and so on.

If Christians want to find proof of God in there somewhere, they must imagine a God who tantalizes us with some bits that are understandable, makes us work very hard to understand more, and refuses to tell us just how much of this mess we will ever understand. Doesn’t sound like a proof of anything to me.

See also:

The classic theist dodge
is to declare that God answers all prayers,
but the answer can be “Yes,” “No,” or “Wait.”
This means God has fewer options available to him
than my Magic 8 Ball.
— commenter Kevin K

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(This is an update of a post that originally appeared 8/19/16.)

Image from Olga Reznik (license CC BY 2.0)

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Ray Comfort’s “The Atheist Delusion”: 64 Minutes I’ll Never Get Back

Let me start by saying something nice about Ray Comfort’s movie, The Atheist Delusion: Why Millions Deny the Obvious (2016). It’s not that I have something nice to say, but I’ll quote praise from another makeshift evangelical, Ken Ham:

Ray shows the foolishness of the religion of atheism and helps the young people he speaks with to come to the realization that their atheism is not based on an intellectual position but a heart issue.

Who doesn’t want to hear about the foolishness of atheism and how there are no intellectual obstacles to believing Christianity?

Movie overview

The style is trademark Ray Comfort as he interviews a dozen or so atheists, mostly 20-somethings. We follow them as Ray works through his arguments, and at the end they’re all left with either a lot to think about or a commitment to follow Jesus. Throw in some nice graphics, take a few tangents, overlay some stirring music, and he’s done. Any subject who saw through Ray’s thin arguments and made him look foolish was cut from the movie to give the impression that this approach is devastating to the brittle worldview of any atheist.

The production quality was good, but one consequence of the high-quality audio caused a problem. You almost never see Ray himself, just the atheist of the moment. Often Ray would speak a seamless paragraph while we see the video cut between two or three subjects listening patiently. I see how that makes things visually more interesting, but it brings to mind old charges that in previous movies Ray had mixed and matched video segments to line up pleasing answers in response to questions, distorting what the subjects had actually said. When a subject says, “Yes,” what are they answering? Maybe it’s the “Have you changed your mind?” you hear in Ray’s voice. Or maybe it’s “Are you still an atheist?” spliced in from another part of the interview. (The Friendly Atheist pressed him on this question here in an interview about the movie.)

“Atheism destroyed with one scientific question . . .”

That got your attention, right? It’s the tag line for the movie’s trailer. Ray may be a science-denying apologist who refuses to be corrected on his childish understanding of evolution, but surely he’s not going to make a claim like that without something pretty compelling.

Or not. He gives people a book and asks, “Do you believe that book could’ve come about by accident?” That’s the scientific question. He then talks about how marvelous human DNA is and concludes that if the book had a maker, then DNA must have, too. It’s the Argument from Incredulity: “Golly, I can’t imagine a natural explanation for this, so it must be supernatural!”

Let’s revisit the “by accident” part. DNA didn’t come about by accident, it came about through mutation (random) and natural selection (not random). How many times has this guy been corrected on this? He can’t be that stupid, so I can only see willful ignorance. Telling the accurate story doesn’t suit his agenda, so he makes up an inaccurate one.

In fact, the sloppiness in DNA nicely defeats Ray’s Design Argument (more here).

“Could DNA make itself?”

Here’s another of Ray’s probing strawman questions. He lives in a simple world: DNA either made itself or God did it. But DNA didn’t make itself; chemistry made it. DNA was simply the result of unguided processes. Again, I have to wonder if this wording was clumsy or calculated.

He talked about how nicely fit we are to our environment, but of course that’s backwards. Remember Douglas Adams’ puddle that marveled how well its hole had been fit to itself.

“You’re an atheist, so you believe the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything.”

Wow. Where do you begin with this black hole of bullshit?

  • An atheist has no god belief. That’s it. Atheists can have any views on cosmology they want.
  • Cosmologists don’t say this.
  • “Scientific impossibility”? Show me. Pop philosophy is not helplful at the frontier of science.
  • What’s the problem with something coming from nothing? Isn’t that how you say God did it?
  • You’re still stuck on “created.” You imagine a cause, but there might not have been one. The Copenhagen model of physics argues that some events don’t have causes.

In an odd attack, he claims that Richard Dawkins says that nothing created everything. Analyzing the hamster wheel that drives Ray’s brain is tricky business, but here’s my theory. Richard Dawkins says it and he’s the pope of the atheists, so therefore all atheists must believe that nothing created everything. Conclusion: “You’re an atheist, so you believe the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything.”

I could begin by saying that I’m not bound by what Dawkins says, but Dawkins didn’t even say this. Ray’s evidence for his charge is a video of Dawkins speaking about physicist Lawrence Krauss’s A Universe From Nothing. Dawkins says, “Of course it’s counterintuitive that you can get something from nothing” . . . but how did we get from Comfort’s charge of “nothing created everything” to Dawkins’ defense of something possibly coming from nothing? Only in the hamster wheel are these equivalent.

“Which came first, the chicken or the egg?”

In interviews years ago, I heard Ray explain his idiotic understanding of evolution. Say you have two lizards, and because of mutations, they give birth to a healthy monkey (cuz that’s what evolution says happens, right?). The monkey matures and looks for a mate, but since monkeys from lizards is quite rare, it can’t find a monkey of the opposite gender, so it dies without making more monkeys. Cue sad trombone sound.

In the movie, Ray goes down a similar line of “reasoning” to ask whether the chicken or the egg came first. He wonders where the rooster came from to fertilize the egg to continue the line. Then he asks whether it was the heart or the blood that evolved first. If the heart, what was it doing without blood? If the blood, how did it move with no heart? Ray’s questions are useful because they sometimes get a “Gee—I’ve never thought of that” from a layperson, not because they’re effective against a biologist, which would actually count for something.

Come to Jesus

The last third of the movie moves from “intellectual” arguments to the usual evangelism. You’re avoiding your conscience, you have selfish motives for denying what you know to be true, morals come from God, you just want to keep sinning, imagine if you died today, and more.

Several reviewers said they needed tissues. I needed a barf bag.

Then there’s Ray’s old standby, the Ten Commandments Challenge® (patent pending), in which he convicts people based on their failure to satisfy the Ten Commandments. Ray, did you forget that they don’t think the Bible is binding since they’re atheists?

(How the Ten Commandments don’t say what Ray thinks they do here.)

Ray’s project was, “Atheism destroyed with one scientific question,” but that was just clickbait. I didn’t notice a single correct scientific statement from Ray in the entire movie. The entire thing collapses into a pretentious pile of elementary emotional arguments, which, unfortunately, may be effective on people who haven’t thought much about these issues.

See also: Fat Chance: Why Pigs Will Fly Before Ray Comfort Writes an Honest Critique of Atheists

As for the contents of his skull,
they could have changed place with the contents of a pie
and nobody would have been the worse off for it but the pie.
— Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi

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(This is an update of a post that originally appeared 7/29/16.)

Image credit: Living Waters

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12 More Puzzles

I recently explored a specific kind of puzzle in “Counterintuitive Puzzles that Should Be Easy.” I’ve explored other puzzles to shed some light on the religion question: the Monty Hall problem and the Puzzle of the Hidden Dots. There is more to be said about the odd ways the human brain works, but let’s postpone that and simply enjoy a few more puzzles for their own sake this time.

Write your answers to the puzzles that were new to you and check them with the answers below.

Got any good puzzles that you use to stump your friends? Tell us about them in the comments.

Quick ones

Let’s start with some quick ones like those in the previous post. See if the intuitive answer is correct.

1. If fence posts are put in every 7 feet, how many posts are needed to make a fence 77 feet long?

2. If it takes a chiming clock 3 seconds to strike 6:00, how long does it take to strike midnight? Ignore the duration of the sound of each chime. (h/t commenter Richard S. Russell)

Word sense

3. An online parser can make sense out of the following sentences. Can you?

Here’s an example of a confusing sentence: “While Anna dressed the baby played in the crib.” That probably sounds odd until you mentally punctuate it like this: “While Anna dressed, the baby played in the crib.” Now try these:

  • The old man the boat.
  • While the man hunted the deer ran into the woods.
  • I convinced her children are noisy.
  • The coach smiled at the player tossed the Frisbee.
  • The cotton clothes are made up of grows in Mississippi.
  • The horse raced past the barn fell.

Easy physics puzzles

These are physics versions of the puzzles that should be easy to answer.

4. Where does the length of a year come from?

5. Why is it colder in the winter?

6. A rowboat is floating in a swimming pool. Inside the rowboat is a cannonball. Take the cannonball and drop it overboard. Does the water level on the side of the pool rise, fall, or stay the same?

Something must be wrong here

7. A friend of mine was from Iowa, and he said that there was quite a rivalry with the neighboring state of Missouri. Jokes were told in Iowa about how stupid Missourians were. They claimed that if Iowa gave those counties that bordered on Missouri to Missouri, it would raise the IQ of both states.

But wait a minute—there has to be something wrong with that. Both states can’t improve, right?

8. Proof that 1 = 2

  • Let a = b
  • Multiply both sides by a:

a2 = ab

  • Subtract b2 from each side:

a2 – b2 = ab – b2

  • Factor both sides:

(a – b)(a + b) = b(a – b)

  • Cancel (a – b) from both sides:

a + b = b

  • Substitute (remember that a = b):

a + a = a

  • Collect:

2a = a

  • Divide by a:

2 = 1 (But something has to be wrong here—what is it?)

Increasingly difficult puzzles

9. You’re in the middle of an island covered uniformly with a dense, dry forest. Lightning sets the north end of the forest on fire, and the wind is blowing to the south. The coast is cliffs all around, so you can’t jump into the water to wait out the fire. The fire will reach you in an hour, and all you have is a backpack with things typically taken on a hike. What can you do to save yourself?

10. You and I are going to meet at a cafe. The server delivers a coffee with milk on the side just as I get a text from you saying you will be 15 minutes late. Being the polite person that I am, I want to wait for you before drinking my coffee. If I want it to be as hot as possible, do I pour the milk in now or wait until you get here?

11. Suppose we have 6-sided dice that don’t have the usual numbers 1 through 6 on them. If my die has a 6 on every face and yours has a 5 on every face, we could roll our respective die and I would beat you every time. Now suppose I change to a die with faces {6, 6, 6, 6, 1, 1}. My die is still the better one, but now I would beat your all-5s die only 2/3 of the time. It’s easy to imagine die A being better than B, and B being better than C, but the puzzle is to make this loop around. That is, create dice such that A beats B, B beats C, and C beats A.

12. Does the balance tip to the right, tip to the left, or remain unchanged?

Click on the Continue below for hints and then answers.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion
but not their own facts.
— Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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(This is an update of a post that originally appeared 7/21/16.)

Image from stevepb (free-use license)

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