Video From 5/20/15 Debate at WWU

Let me give the final bits to the debate last week.

Here are the opening remarks of my partner, blogger, author, and psychologist Valerie Tarico.

I prefer to listen to debates like this as audio only. If you’re like me, here is the audio (62MB), though the audio quality is better in the video.

Other posts about the debate:

Here’s the video. Note that the quality goes up to 1080p (use the settings gear in the bottom-right to adjust).

I pray a simple prayer every morning.
It’s an ecumenical prayer.
Whether you’re Catholic or Jewish or Muslim or Hindu,
I think it speaks to the heart of every faith.
It goes “Lord please break the laws of the universe
for my convenience. Amen.”
—  Emo Philips

Debate Results!

We played to a packed house last night—about 550 people, including some friends who made the long drive up from Seattle. I don’t know what the special sauce was that made it happen, but Western Washington University had lots of students interested in the debate question, “Does God Exist?” They seemed a lot more engaged than that they were there just for extra credit.

I gave more information about the debate here. I expect to have access to the video in a few days and will make that available when I do.

The debate

The debate went as I suspected, with our Christian opponents avoiding the typical arguments that I hear from the conservative Protestant apologists—the Moral Argument, Design Argument, Transcendental Argument, Ontological Argument, Argument for the Truth of the New Testament, Fine Tuning Argument, Argument from Prophecy, Cosmological Argument, Who Would Die for a Lie? and so on.

I’ll let the debate video speak for itself, but let me give a quick summary of the Christian side. This presumably is a Catholic vs. Evangelical thing, but our opponents were pretty easy to agree with. To give you a flavor of what we were up against, here are some of their points:

  • Proofs for God don’t work
  • “God” has many definitions, and the God who scolded Saul for not killing enough Amalekites is not my god.
  • God is that whisper of something important in life; God is behind the wonder you see in a Hubble telescope image.
  • God is a mystery. Don’t think you have him figured out.

You can imagine how an atheist would object to some of this, but at least the Christian position wasn’t strident. The Catholic church meddles ineptly in some social issues (abortion, contraception, and same-sex marriage, for example) but that is mercifully a subset of the problems caused by some fundamentalist Protestants.

My debate approach is always to give some challenging arguments for atheism, preferably arguments that they are unlikely to have heard before. I’ve explored a couple of dozen in this blog, and the ones I picked for this debate were:

  1. Historians reject the Bible story
  2. Mormonism beats Christianity
  3. Because there’s a map of world religions
  4. God has no impact on reality

The results!

The debate used Oxford voting, which means that votes were taken before and after. The audience could decide between Yes God exists, No God doesn’t exist, and Undecided. The audience began with 18% undecided and the rest 3:1 in favor of God. Afterwards, some of the Undecideds had migrated. The official result was a 2% increase for the Affirmative (God exists) side and 3% for the Negative side. Go team!

If one believes that there is an omnipotent deity,
one can therefore believe absolutely anything else,
for everything else is thereby made possible.
— Descartes by A.C. Grayling

Upcoming Debate: Does God Exist?

debateIf you’re in the greater Seattle area, you may want to attend an upcoming debate on the topic “Does God Exist?” The organizers recently had to find a new venue because the original 400-seat lecture hall would be too small, so it should be a lively evening.

The debate will use a two-on-two format, like that used by Intelligence Squared debates. Each of the speakers will make a 10-minute opening. Next, in the same order, a 3-minute rebuttal. There will be Q&A, with the moderator asking questions submitted in writing by the audience. And finally, two minutes each for closing remarks.

Oxford voting will be used, which means that votes (Agree, Disagree, or Undecided) will be taken before and after. The change in the tally will determine the winner. (To please the audience, I’ll have to be on my best behavior!)

Opponents

My partner on the negative side of the question will be psychologist Dr. Valerie Tarico. A former evangelical, she explores her own past and the way out in Trusting Doubt: A Former Evangelical Looks at Old Beliefs in a New Light. Her excellent video series “God’s Emotions” puts God on the couch to see why God (or the marionette known as God) acts the way he does. Her knowledge of psychology, important to understanding so many aspects of Christianity, will be a great compliment my more argumentative style.

Our two opponents are from Seattle University, a Jesuit institution. Dr. Mark Markuly is the Dean of the School of Theology and Ministry, and Rev. Mike Raschko Ph.D is a professor of Catholic Systematic Theology.

Details

Date and Time: Wednesday, May 20 at 7:30pm

Location: Performing Arts Center (PAC) Concert Hall, Western Washington University, Bellingham, WA (directions)

It will be recorded, and I’ll make a link available as soon as I get it.

[In theology,] expertise is demonstrated
not by mastering knowledge about the divine,
but mastering speculations that other people have made about the divine.
As ex-preacher Dan Barker likes to say,
“Theology is a subject without an object.
Theologians don’t study God;
they study what other theologians have said about God.”
Jerry Coyne

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How Do Science and Religion Overlap? NOMA Imagines Not at All.

Stephen J. GouldCan science say anything about religious claims? Does religion have anything to say in the domain of science?

Stephen Jay Gould (1941–2002) a paleontologist, biologist, and popularize of science wrote of many things, and one was this clash between religion and science (Rocks of Ages, 1999).

Like Rodney “Can’t we all get along?” King, Gould tried to get everyone to play nice. Science and Religion, he said, are two magesteria—that is, areas of authority—that don’t overlap. He described the different domains of these two Non-Overlapping Magesteria (NOMA) this way:

Science gets the age of rocks, and religion the rock of ages; science studies how the heavens go, and religion how to go to heaven.

No one steps on anyone’s toes, and everyone’s happy.

I heard a variation of this in a lecture by Oxford mathematics professor John Lennox (“John Lennox Responds to Stephen Hawking”). Lennox argues that the two domains overlap but overlap contentedly. For example, Isaac Newton had no problem accepted both gravity and God. Gravity could both be studied scientifically and also be the product of God’s hand.

Yet another reaction is by Richard Dawkins. About Gould’s make-nice accommodation, he says in The God Delusion, “Gould carried the art of bending over backwards to positively supine lengths.” About Gould’s quote above, Dawkins wrote:

This sounds terrific—right up until you give it a moment’s thought. What are these ultimate questions in whose presence religion is an honoured guest and science must respectfully slink away?

Lampooning NOMA further, Dawkins imagines that scientists discover DNA evidence that Jesus really did lack a biological father. Would Christian apologists who favor NOMA say that the magesteria still don’t overlap and that scientific evidence is irrelevant to the study of theology? Would they dismiss the scientists with their useless evidence?

Of course not. Within certain circles of Christianity, this would be the discovery of the century. Given the choice of NOMA or evidence, they’ll take the evidence.

Or take the Templeton prayer study. If it had provided evidence of the effectiveness of prayers, you can bet that Christian apologists would telling everyone who would listen. Faith is nice as far as it goes, but it’s second best when the alternative is hard science that supports the Christian position.

Most Christians have learned from the Galileo fiasco and have no problem with evolution, though Dawkins sides with the other Christians. He agrees that they are rightly concerned that evolution and Christianity are incompatible.

NOMA is a nice idea, but given the continued clash between science and science deniers with a religious agenda, it has had little impact.

The Holy Spirit intended to teach us in the Bible 
how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go.
— Galileo

(This is an update of a post that originally appeared 9/8/12.)

Correcting Misinformation While Minimizing the Backfire Effect

christian misinformation backfireIn part 1, we explored the Backfire Effect, the surprising effect in which a correction to deeply held misinformation often reinforces that misinformation.

The first lesson is that the obvious path—simply providing the new information with references—is not the best when recipients could see this as an attack on their worldview. Let’s see if we can do better.

1. Avoid reinforcing the misinformation

The Debunking Handbook is a great resource for understanding the Backfire Effect and how to minimize it. Their first tip is to focus on the facts, not the myth. Using “President Obama is a Muslim” as our example, the last thing that the corrector of this misinformation should do is give any more airtime to the myth. In other words, don’t title the article, “Is Obama a Muslim??”

It’s analogous to how to avoid trouble when driving. When bad things are suddenly happening around you, focus on the safe route through the chaos, not on the accident. And with myths, focus on the truth, not the myth.

The article recommends sandwiching the myth in the facts.

  • The title should focus on the facts without acknowledging the myth: perhaps “Obama’s Christianity Is as Deep as MLK’s.”
  • Begin the article with facts: Obama’s connection to the church since his 20s, say, or his participation in Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s church.
  • Briefly acknowledge the myth, but clearly label it as wrong: “Some people incorrectly think that President Obama is Muslim” for example.
  • Conclude by showing how the myth is flawed. Give quotes from respected people making the point or quotes from Obama showing his publicly acknowledged faith, say. End with a quotable line that summarizes the fact.

2. Avoid overkill—less is more

There’s a debate maxim that if you’re explaining, you’re losing. That’s the genius behind the “Gish Gallop,” the technique made famous by young-earth Creationist Duane Gish. During interviews and debates, he would puke out a torrent of flawed but compelling challenges to evolution. Biologists interviewed with him would often take the bait and carefully explain why each was crap, but these explanations are long and boring. Gish was firing blanks, but he made a lot of noise and often made the better showing.

When correcting a myth, don’t put up obstacles for your reader. A mountain of information may be too much to bother with. Make it easy to access, process, and accept. Instead of a pile of arguments, give just a few key arguments that make the point clearly and painlessly. Remember that you’re arguing against a simple, pleasing myth. Your reader doesn’t want to wrestle with a long and boring dissertation.

The basics of clear communication also apply. Use graphics when possible, use short sentences and short paragraphs, and use headings and simple language. Avoid combative language that will alienate.

The journalist’s pyramid model is another tool. The reader might leave at any point, and you want the information to that point to be as complete as possible. Start with a broad, high-level view, and work your way down to the details.

The Debunking Handbook gives an example where three tabs on a web page allow readers to choose to read the information at a basic, intermediate, or advanced level based on their knowledge and interest.

3. Avoid attacking worldviews

Attacking someone’s worldview will likely trigger the Backfire Effect and reinforce their commitment to the misinformation, but there are a couple of tricks to Trojan horse the message past the mental barricades. First, putting people in a positive frame of mind—for example, by asking them to write a few sentences about a time they felt good after acting on an important value—makes a new idea less threatening. The article “How facts backfire” observes:

This would also explain why demagogues benefit from keeping people agitated. The more threatened people feel, the less likely they are to listen to dissenting opinions, and the more easily controlled they are.

Another approach is to frame a message through word choices that minimize attacks on someone’s worldview. The organizer of Seattle Skeptics once made a nice save using this approach. He was giving a talk about the 9/11 Truth movement, which argues that the 9/11 attacks were a conspiracy. He expected an audience of skeptics who accepted the official explanation, but it turned out to be an audience of 9/11 Truthers. He reframed his message to be more acceptable by using one of their favorite lines: “Why do they not want you to know this? What are they hiding?” The Truther-flavored argument went something like this: Here’s a response to one of the popular Truther arguments. Why did I have to tell you this instead of the Truther web sites? What do you suppose they’re hiding?

Does this sound like cheating? The article disagrees: “Self-affirmation and framing aren’t about manipulating people. They give the facts a fighting chance.”

A third option focuses on the source of the flawed information rather than the consumer. Make it hurt to spread misinformation. Increase its reputation cost. For example, FactCheck.org is one organization that tries to hold politicians to a high standard.

You may need to focus your message on the winnable subset of the audience. The curious, questioning, or undecideds may be reachable, while you may have to write off those who have no interest in listening to threatening new ideas.

4. Avoid leaving a mental hole

Don’t simply eliminate the myth in someone’s mind. An incomplete model—that is, a model of how things work with the myth crossed out—causes discomfort. The human mind prefers an incorrect model to an incomplete one. Quickly fill that hole with the correct facts, neatly packaged to drop in as a replacement.

To help pry out the myth, you may want to highlight the techniques that made the myth seem plausible—perhaps they used experts who weren’t experts or cherry picked the data. Also consider exposing the agenda of whoever is pushing the myth.

5. Avoid a combative posture—be partners instead

Instead of an “I’m right and you’re wrong” approach, go into the discussion seeing it as a partnership, with both of you trying to figure out the right answer.

Am I worried that Christians will improve their arguments with information in this post? Not at all. When all communication is clearer and biases are avoided, I win. I suspect that a clearer atheist position will even more strongly beat a clearer Christian position.

And that’s the point about beliefs—they don’t change facts.
Facts, if you’re rational, should change beliefs.
—  Ricky Gervais (The Unbelievers movie trailer)

Education is a condom for your brain.
— seen on the internet

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The Backfire Effect: When Accurate Information Is a Miscalculation

backfire effect misinformationBarack Obama is a Christian. He easily passes the tests you’d give to anyone else: he uses Christian language, he goes to church, and (most importantly) he says he’s a Christian!

It’s been fact checked, as if that would be necessary. Turns out that, yes, he’s a Christian.

But you wouldn’t know it from the polls. In March 2008, before Obama was elected president, polls showed 47% of Americans accepted that he was Christian, 12% said Muslim, and 36% didn’t know. With time, this groundless confusion should dissolve away, right? Nope. Four years later, the 2012 poll showed similar results.

Another poll in Mississippi found 12% saying Christian and 52% Muslim (and 36% Don’t Know). Among “very conservative” voters, it was 3% Christian, 58% Muslim, and 39% Don’t Know. That was in 2012. In America.

This example shows that we well-educated moderns don’t always accept obvious facts. Who could then doubt that first-century Christians might not have recorded events with perfect accuracy? But that’s just a corollary observation. I want to instead explore how this deeply embraced misinformation gets in our heads and stays there.

Backfire effect

The natural response for skeptics like me is to suppose that misinformed people simply don’t have the correct facts. These people are eager to know the truth, and if we provide them with the facts, the misinformation will vanish.

In some cases, this is true. A correction that doesn’t push any buttons can work. It’s easy to accept a more efficient driving route to work or a new accounting policy. In situations like politics, however—as the “Obama isn’t a Christian” example shows—things are more complicated. And here’s the crazy thing: presenting people with the correct information can reinforce the false beliefs. That’s the Backfire Effect.

One helpful article (“How facts backfire”) notes that it’s threatening to admit that you’re wrong, especially where one’s worldview is involved, as with politics and religion. The article calls the Backfire Effect a defense mechanism that avoids cognitive dissonance.

In reality, we often base our opinions on our beliefs, which can have an uneasy relationship with facts. And rather than facts driving beliefs, our beliefs can dictate the facts we chose to accept. They can cause us to twist facts so they fit better with our preconceived notions.

It gets worse. I’ve written before about the critical but often overlooked difference between confidence and accuracy in memories, how a confident memory isn’t necessarily an accurate one. Studies of the Backfire Effect show that those people most confident in their grasp of the facts tended to be the least knowledgeable about the topic. That is, those most in need of correcting their beliefs are least likely to do so.

This isn’t just an academic issue. These people are voters, and their ignorance affects public policy.

(As an aside, this is related to the Dunning-Kruger effect in which more competent people rate their ability less than it actually is, while less competent people do the reverse. The hypothesis is that the less competent people were too incompetent to appreciate their own incompetence.)

How can we humans be as smart as we are but have this aversion to correct information? The human brain seems to seek consistency. It’s mentally easy to select confirming information and ignore the rest. Reevaluating core principles is difficult and stressful work.

Let’s not be too hard on ourselves, though. If we had to continually reevaluate everything, we’d never get out of bed in the morning. Cognitive shortcuts make sense, usually.

In part 2, we’ll conclude with a look at how to correct misinformation without triggering the Backfire Effect.

The door of a bigoted mind opens outwards
so that the only result of the pressure of facts upon it
is to close it more snugly.
— Ogden Nash

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